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England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions |
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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> William S, R. v [2004] EWCA Crim 443 (5 February 2004) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2004/443.html Cite as: [2004] EWCA Crim 443 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
Royal Courts of Justice Strand London, WC2 |
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MR JUSTICE HOOPER
MR JUSTICE ASTILL
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"There must necessarily be discussion, argument and give and take within the scope of your oath. That is the way in which agreement is reached. If, unhappily, you cannot reach an agreement then you must say so."
The judge then said:
"So what I am going to do now, it is 3 minutes to 1, I am going to ask you to retire. Try to get 12-0. If you cannot, 10-2 or 11-1 guilty or not guilty will do. If you would like to go now. Anything else can I help you with while you are here? No? Thank you."
At that point a juror said in the form of a question "9-3 not guilty?", by which counsel infer, and we take it, that the juror she meant: if there is a verdict of 9-3 is it not guilty. The judge then indicated that the only verdict he could accept was 10-2 or 11-1. In relation to a 9-3 verdict, he went on:
"Cannot do that here. I would ask you to go away and consider what I have just said to you. Whether it has any effect or not I simply do not know, and we will see you later. Thank you very much."
"That rather means there is scope for the Watson direction to have some effect. I am going to leave them for approximately an hour. It means they will have their lunch there, whatever, and we will come back at 2 o'clock, which is an hour from now, and see what happens, but I think by 2 o'clock, I think, quite frankly, that will be long enough..."
"Now then, it is just after 2. I reckon it is approximately four-and-three-quarters hours is all this, and the trial only took a couple of hours. I am going to ask them to come back. I rather suspect that they do not have a verdict. I will formally ask them whether, if I give them any more time and as long as they like, whether there is any prospect of a verdict 10-2. If they say no, that is it. Any comment about that?"
Counsel indicated that they had no observations.
"An awful lot of noise has just emanated from the jury room. I rather suspect my interpretation of that is they have actually got a verdict after nearly five hours, but we will see."
The jury then returned and delivered a verdict of guilty by a majority of 10-2.
"One starts from the proposition that a jury must be free to deliberate without any form of pressure being imposed upon them, whether by way of promise or of threat or otherwise. They must not be made to feel that it is incumbent upon them to express agreement with a view they do not truly hold simply because it might be inconvenient or tiresome or expensive for the prosecution, the defendant, the victim or the public in general if they do not do so."