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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Family Court Decisions (other Judges) >> C, Re [2022] EWFC 138 (B) (28 September 2022) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWFC/OJ/2022/138.html Cite as: [2022] EWFC 138, [2022] EWFC 138 (B) |
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IN THE MATTER OF C
Carlisle |
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B e f o r e :
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John J |
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(1) Abby A (2) Christina J (through her Children's Guardian) |
(Respondents) |
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IN THE MATTER OF C |
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Central Court, 25 Southampton Buildings, London WC2A 1AL
Tel: 0330 100 5223 | Email: [email protected] | uk.escribers.net
MISS C BOOTH, instructed by Bendles Solicitors, appeared on behalf of the First Respondent
MS S HARGREAVES, instructed by GKM Solicitors, appeared on behalf of the Second Respondent (through her Children's Guardian, Ms Deborah Turner)
28th SEPTEMBER 2022, 11.10-12.06
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Crown Copyright ©
THE NAMES OF ANY AND ALL CHILDREN AND LAY PARTIES HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO MAINTAIN BOTH ANONYMITY AND READABILITY.
HIS HONOUR JUDGE C BAKER:
a. "The mother remains resolute that the words she heard from Christina on the evening of 6 October 2021 were, 'Daddy touched me'. The mother does not resile from the observations of Christina's behaviour as described at court. The mother considered that it was both necessary and appropriate to safeguard her daughter, to withdraw until there was a risk assessment. It is submitted that this was an appropriate and proportionate response. A risk assessment was clearly never going to be undertaken unless and until proceedings were commenced. The safeguarding letter advises that a finding of fact is necessary and that no interim contact advice could be offered prior to a robust risk assessment.
b. "The mother has listened to Dr Knight and the evidence of [John], and has reflected upon the evidence which she has given orally over the course of the hearing. The mother accepts that some of Christina's behaviour is likely to be attributable to observing domestic violence and criminal activity perpetrated by Ben, her former partner. This has only become apparent to the mother during the cross-examination by counsel for the guardian. The mother accepts that some of the behaviour described previously to be sexualised may be due to the child protection medical. Dr Knight recounts that during intimate examinations he tells children generally that this is not going to hurt. Christina is said to recount that to her sister. The mother accepts that Christina could have been playing doctors and nurses as a result of her experience of the child protection medical examination. This realisation has only become apparent to the mother during the cross-examination by counsel for the guardian.
c. "The mother accepts Dr Knight's explanation that erythema of the child's vagina may have multiple causes and the mother notes that the hymen was intact although understands per Dr Knight's evidence that it is known for the hymen to remain intact post penetration."
d. "The mother accepts that Christina has experienced some issues toileting and on occasion may have not been sufficiently clean to avoid infection post-evacuation or urination. The mother accepts following counsel for the guardian's cross-examination that her very first account to the police may have not given Christina an authentic voice. She asserts she was doing the very best that she could do to try and protect Christina. The mother accepts that in her panic she may have not heard that Christina was in bed."
e. "The mother accepts that John J was an excellent father up until his separation from Christina, that is to say up until October 2021. The mother accepts upon hearing father's evidence and that of Dr Knight, that Christina has not been touched by her father on the evening of 6 October and/or on other occasions prior to that date in a sexually inappropriate manner. The mother accepts upon hearing the father's evidence and that of Dr Knight that the father or another person with whom he has allowed the child to spend time has not exposed the child to sexualised or inappropriate behaviour in comments…"
f. "Conclusion: The mother has found the hearing and cross-examination to be a reflective experience. She asserts that she has not been able to, in the absence of a risk assessment or a neutral third-party evaluation of the events of 6 October 2021 and prior, understand the meaning, if any, of Christina's statement, 'My daddy touched me.' Upon reflection, the mother can see that there may be explanations for Christina's presentation and behaviour that does not have nefarious or casual links to the father. The mother hopes the court will understand that she has exercised non-contact as a safeguarding measure until she was satisfied for Christina's safety."
POSTSCRIPT:
Subsequently by way of a consent order the parties agreed and the court endorsed a Child Arrangements Order that has Abby living with her mother and spending every and all weekend with her father as well as extended periods of time with her father during school holidays.
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Appendix:
Law
a. The burden of proof lies with the party who seeks to assert that a disputed fact occurred.
b. That burden must be fulfilled to the civil standard of proof. That is to say on the balance of probabilities. If I determine that something is more likely than not to have happened, then that fact is established. If I determine that something is more likely not to have happened, then the fact is not established. It is not open to me to conclude that something 'may' have happened and mere suspicion does not establish a fact.
c. In some circumstances the 'burden' of proof may provide the answer in that a conclusion that a fact is equally as likely as it is unlikely – the 50/50 scenario - means that the person asserting the fact has not proved that it took place and therefore it did not happen.
d. The person responding to the allegation being asserted against them does not need to 'prove' that it did not happen although of course their response to any allegation is relevant to my overall evaluation of the evidence as is the exploration of alternative scenarios.
e. It is dangerous to speculate and findings of fact must be based on evidence – although in family proceedings 'evidence' can mean a wide variety of things including oral testimony of someone who was present to proper inferences drawn from circumstances and surrounding established facts as well as corroborative evidence.
f. A court can and indeed should take into account and weigh both the 'micro' and the 'macro' – that is to say the individual detailed evidential building blocks relating to a fact being determined and the wider picture relating to the general factors, background and context. The interrelationship between all the evidence available to the court must be considered and weighed carefully.
g. Oral testimony is important however a judge must always be careful to ensure that full account is taken of all the circumstances. The Court must consider what corroborative or indeed contradictory evidence exists that relates to the fact being asserted.
h. Oral testimony can be misleading – a truthful person may be a 'bad' witness in terms of, for example, their ability to speak coherently and certainly, calm their nerves, the ease with which they are confused or the illogicality of their thought processes. Conversely a dishonest person may be a good witness. On a more complex level, 'dishonesty' in the context of relating past events must be carefully considered. Someone can relate something that is wholly untrue whilst entirely believing it to be factually correct. Human memory is fallible – the brain does not make a video recording that is indelibly stored forevermore, rather it recalls snap shots that are dependent for their accuracy not only upon the circumstances and influences that applied at the time but can also be altered convincingly by subsequent events, perceptions and emotions. Those memories will still be 'true' to the person relating them despite the fact that they may bare little or no resemblance to what actually happened.
i. Likewise, I remind myself that the considerations related at (h) above also mean that I must guard against 'trivial persuasion' i.e. the notion that evidence related in meticulous detail is in some way more reliable because of that detail. It is not necessarily so.
j. With respect to dishonesty, a conclusion that a witness has lied about a particular event does not automatically mean that everything they say is tainted by that dishonesty. A more intricate consideration of the reasons for and motivations behind dishonesty (deliberate or mistaken) must be considered when evaluating the effect of a 'lie' on the veracity of their other evidence (R v Lucas [1998] QB 720).
"…there are specific risks to which the court must be alive. Allegations of abuse are not being made by a neutral and expert Local Authority which has nothing to gain by making them, but by a parent who is seeking to gain an advantage in the battle against the other parent. This does not mean that they are false but it does increase the risk of misinterpretation, exaggeration or downright fabrication."
"This is a very troubling case. The findings made against the appellant are of the utmost seriousness and, if upheld, will affect the whole family for the rest of their lives."[1]
i. TW v A City Council [2011] EWCA Civ 17
ii. Re W, Re F [2015] EWCA Civ 1300
iii. Re E (A Child) [2016] EWCA Civ 473
iv. AS v TH and others [2016] EWHC 532 (Fam)
a) No case of sexual abuse without probative medical or direct physical evidence is to be regarded as straightforward.
b) Children are poor historians and many are suggestible. The greatest care must be taken to minimise the risk of obtaining unreliable evidence from a child.
c) The ABE guidance should be followed.
d) The need to analyse and acknowledge deviations in ABE practice and consider whether the flaws are so fundamental as to render the interviews unreliable. Material can be cogent despite deviations in the interview process.
e) The need for careful assessment of hearsay evidence of what a child has said, particularly where it is the only evidence.
f) The need for additional caution when relying on a statement made outside an ABE interview or following earlier unrecorded questioning.
a. In accordance with the foregoing general principles, when assessing whether or not allegations of sexual abuse are proved to the requisite standard, the court should focus on all of the relevant evidence in the case, including that from the alleged perpetrator and family members (see Re I-A (Allegations of Sexual Abuse) [2012] 2 FLR 837).[2]
b. "As we have already pointed out, the [ABE] Guidance makes it clear that the interviewer has to keep an open mind and that the object of the exercise is not simply to get the child to repeat on camera what she has said earlier to somebody else. We regret to say that we are left with the clear impression from the interview that the officer was using it purely for what she perceived to be an evidence gathering exercise and, in particular, to make LR repeat on camera what she had said to her mother. That emphatically is not what ABE interviews are about and we have come to the view that we can place no evidential weight on it." [Emphasis in original][3]
c. When social workers or other professionals are speaking to children who have made allegations they must be very careful to consider the purpose of the exchange and whether it is being conducted with a view to taking proceedings to protect the child or for separate therapeutic purposes where the restrictions upon prompting would not apply but the interview would not be for the purposes of court proceedings (Re D (Child Abuse: Interviews) [1998] 2 FLR 10).
d. The courts have further endorsed a number of the general principles set out in the ABE Guidelines:
i. It is desirable that interviews with young children should be conducted as soon as possible after any allegations are made (Re M (Minors)(Sexual Abuse: Evidence) [1993] 1 FLR 822).
ii. Where a child has been interviewed on a number of occasions the court may attach diminishing weight to what is said in the later interviews (Re D (Child Abuse: Interviews) [1998] 2 FLR 10).
iii. The court will wish to see responses from the child which are neither forced nor led (Re X (A Minor) (Child Abuse: Evidence) [1989] 1 FLR 30).
iv. It is normally undesirable for a parent to be present in an interview with the child (Re N (Child Abuse: Evidence) 1996 2 FLR 214 and see the Cleveland Report para 12.35).
v. In Re S (A Child) [2013] EWCA Civ 1254 Ryder LJ confirmed that the guidance set out in the Cleveland Report at paragraph 12.34 with respect to interviewing children remain good practice.
e. Where there has been a failure to follow the interviewing guidelines, the court is not compelled to disregard altogether the evidence obtained in interview but may rely on it together with other independent material to form a conclusion (Re B (Allegations of Sexual Abuse: Child's Evidence) [2006] 2 FLR 1071). However, where the court finds that no evidential weight can be attached to the interviews the court may only come to a conclusion that relies on the content of those interviews where it has comprehensively reviewed all of the other evidence (TW v A City Council [2011] 1 FLR 1597). See also Re C (A Child) (Fact-Finding) [2022] EWCA Civ 584.
HHJ C Baker
27th September 2022
Note 1 Re Y and E, Para 2 [Back] Note 2 AS v TH and others [2016] EWHC 532 (Fam), para 30 [Back] Note 3 TW v A City Council [2011] EWCA Civ 17; [2011] 1 FLR 1597 at para 52
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