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QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
ADMINISTRATIVE COURT
The Strand London WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
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BRIAN BOLAM | ||
Claimant | ||
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(1) FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE | ||
(2) WYCHAVEN DISTRICT COUNCIL | ||
(3) TIMOTHY BOLAM | ||
Defendants |
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Smith Bernal, 190 Fleet Street, London EC4
Telephone No: 020 7421 4040
(Official Shorthand Writers to the Court)
appeared on behalf of THE APPLICANT (FIRST DEFENDANT)
MR W HANSEN (instructed by Messrs Burgess Salmon, Bristol BS1)
appeared on behalf of THE RESPONDENT (CLAIMANT)
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Crown Copyright ©
Monday 10 July 2006
MR JUSTICE COLLINS:
"Further to our letter of 25 May 2005, it has come to our attention that the third defendant in the above action, Mr Timothy Bolam, who is the owner of Manor Barn ('the Property') is attempting to let the Property for residential accommodation in breach of planning control."
They referred to the relevant condition and asked that they should be notified if plans were submitted to the council which were required in order to fulfil the condition which had been imposed. They pointed out that the only right was a right to pass and re-pass and that the land would be directly affected by any parking scheme which was implemented, and asked how the vehicles were intended to turn so as to comply with the condition.
"We cannot give you that information without our client's consent."
MISS PATRY: Your Lordship should have a schedule.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I have a schedule, but it may be out of date. The one I have is dated November 2005. I presume there is a more up to date one? That is excluding the injunction application. I am not sure I have seen a schedule.
MISS PATRY: There is a schedule headed "Costs of the claimant in respect of the injunction application awarded 16 July 2005". That was in fact sent to the court with the written submissions on 23 November 2005.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: What is the total?
MISS PATRY: The total is --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I take it, Mr Hansen, you have seen this?
MR HANSEN: My Lord, I have seen a schedule. I have seen something which calls itself "Costs of the claimant in respect of the injunction".
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: And what is the total on yours?
MR HANSEN: £17,389.60.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: It seems a lot, but I can understand how it might be --
MISS PATRY: My Lord, I am going to pass up to you three things. I am going to pass you up a copy of this schedule and I am going to pass you up also two further documents, which are further breakdowns -- the breakdown of the solicitor's costs and the breakdown of work done on the documents.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Has Mr Hansen seen these?
MISS PATRY: He has. I passed them to him. My Lord, if you look firstly at the schedule itself, I have got various things to say, the first being that everything was done at short notice.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes, certainly.
MISS PATRY: That is why so many people had had to be involved. It was actually quite hare to find someone who was able full-time to work on it. So you will see that various people were involved. Then you will see various headings, including "Attendance at hearing". You will see that the attendance at hearing was rather lengthy. That is because it was over the course of a full day from 10am right through until 1.30am the next morning. That is also true of my fee -- I hate having to defend my own fee. I am not going to address you on every single part of the schedule. What I am going to do is to refer to the two other documents I have handed up. Just so that your Lordship knows that there is a further breakdown --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I may have the dates wrong. The hearing is indicated on the 14th; it was actually not until the 15th that you came to the court.
MISS PATRY: That is right.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: And although the judge's order says the 15th, it was actually in the early hours of the morning of the 16th?
MISS PATRY: Yes.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes. Of course, you were not aware until the hearing took place that actually the 15th was the --
MISS PATRY: Was D day.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: That was my understanding. Yes.
MISS PATRY: My Lord, I am only going to address you on the two distinct issues on which I have given you a breakdown.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Is it sensible -- I see what you have done -- to see what Mr Hansen has to say? First of all, to see whether he challenges the amounts, and, if so, we can identify what items he does. You want me to make a summary assessment, do you?
MISS PATRY: My Lord, I would ask you to, simply because the costs to date are escalating. My submission is that if this goes off any further, it is just going to be incredible. I have not even touched on the costs of today yet.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: They are an additional factor, are they not?
MISS PATRY: Absolutely. So I would ask for a summary assessment, if you feel able to do so.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: What have we to add in for the costs of today? Perhaps we ought to have the total figure?
MISS PATRY: I have another schedule for the costs of today.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Have you seen this, Mr Hansen?
MR HANSEN: I have not.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: How can I decide it then?
MISS PATRY: I am so sorry, I thought this had made its way to my learned friend.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Is the sensible thing, Miss Patry, I do not know, in order to try to avoid further costs, for you and Mr Hansen, when he has had a chance to assimilate these and to consider them, to put in writing where you have any differences?
MR HANSEN: My Lord, the difficulty is that my overriding submission is that these costs are completely disproportionate to the application.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I am not sure that they are necessarily.
MR HANSEN: The costs before Sullivan J on a substantive appeal were in the region of £24,000, and he expressed the view that they were very high and should go off for detailed assessment.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes.
MR HANSEN: This is £18,000 odd with more to add --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I entirely take your point. I find it is very difficult for me to assess costs of this magnitude. Of course, there may be scope for agreement, but I do not think, particularly in the light of the knowledge that Mr Hansen has not even had a chance to consider the latest figures, I really do think that this is one that ought to go off for detailed assessment if not agreed. I am, sorry, but I am not inclined to make a summary assessment of costs of this magnitude. I am not saying you will not justify them; I simply do not know.
MISS PATRY: My Lord, we are very reluctant for that course simply because of the costs implications.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, I know, but you have incurred a very large sum on the face of it. The addition is another nearly £10,000. The total is what?
MR HANSEN: My Lord, I might need to address you on the principle.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: The costs are £27,000, which is as much as the costs for the whole claim.
MISS PATRY: I can assist your Lordship on the costs of the claim which have now been the subject of detailed assessment. I am told that in fact we made an offer to the Treasury Solicitors which was subsequently upheld --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, that may be.
MISS PATRY: -- so do not think it can be considered in any way to be disproportionate. Yes, the costs are high in relation to the application, but it has to be remembered that it was made very much at short notice and late into the night, which does account for some of the costs. If your Lordship is not willing to deal with quantum, which I understand, and I am not going to try to persuade your Lordship if your Lordship is not persuaded, perhaps I need to address you on the principle of the costs of this application.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Why? The principle is that you are entitled to them.
MISS PATRY: I am entitled to them.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: You are entitled to the same three-quarters.
MISS PATRY: In relation to the application?
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes. You can have three-quarters of all your costs. That is the order that I propose to make. That would include the costs incurred for today, as well as the costs incurred overall before Calvert-Smith J. So, you will get three-quarters of the whole of your costs.
MISS PATRY: Would your Lordship -- I know the lateness of the hour is not assisting here -- but would your Lordship be prepared to rise for five minutes to see if we can reach any form of agreement now?
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes. I will go up to my room and give you five minutes or so. If you cannot reach agreement, then the order will be detailed assessment. If you can, then obviously -- if you reach agreement as to amount they you do not need to call me back. Then it will be summary assessment in the sum that you have accepted to be appropriate. Mr Hansen, you have to take account of the fact that before Calvert-Smith J this had to be done in a great hurry and it took a long time and waiting time, which was no fault of the claimant's, and, unfortunately, you will have to bear additional costs incurred by the long time and of course the our-of-hours working.
MR HANSEN: I accept that, but I do say that on a detailed assessment a bill that is edging towards £30,000 would be subject to intense scrutiny.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I think it would. I think you are absolutely right that it would, and certainly if I had to make a summary assessment I am afraid I would be thinking in rather lower terms than that. I know that there was a lot of work that had to be done and it had to be done quickly, and I note, Miss Patry, your fees for today, which are not unreasonable perhaps, but they are on the high side.
MISS PATRY: I hate having to defend my own costs.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: No, this is invidious, I know.
MR HANSEN: Especially when I have not yet seen them.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: You presumably have thoughts about how much you would have claimed for today if you had won?
MR HANSEN: Save that your Lordship will have seen from my skeleton argument my position is that the fair order is no order.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, I know. I agree.
MR HANSEN: We did not make an offer in respect of today because we were not in a position to contend for --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: No, you are quite right. So there was no need for you -- but anyway, yes, I am quite happy that you have words, but, as I say, I am not going to assess these summarily if there is disagreement. If you want to say, "We cannot do it in five minutes and would like more time", by all means.
MR HANSEN: My Lord, the difficulty is that I surmise that there is a yawning chasm between us.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I suspect that may be the case.
MR HANSEN: So I am more than willing to try now, but I think it will be a short conversation.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: All right. I have indicated what I propose to do. So I do not think there is any need to summon me, although I will be there for a few minutes.
MISS PATRY: We will do our best. We will let you know either way.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: All right. You cannot get me tomorrow because I am not here tomorrow.
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