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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Mace v Engineering Employers Federation [2003] UKEAT 0680_02_2301 (23 January 2003) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2003/0680_02_2301.html Cite as: [2003] UKEAT 0680_02_2301, [2003] UKEAT 680_2_2301 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE J MCMULLEN QC
MR B R GIBBS
MR J C SHRIGLEY
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
Revised
For the Appellant | MR EDWARD MACE (the Appellant in Person) |
For the Respondent | MR GAVIN MANSFIELD (of Counsel) Instructed by: Engineering Employers Federation Broadway House Tothill Street London SW1H 9NQ |
HIS HONOUR JUDGE J McMULLEN QC
17 "It is important for employees to have as much warning as possible that their employment may be at risk. This allows them to consider alternatives with their employer and to seek alternative employment at the earliest opportunity if they wish to do so."
20 "…even if proper consultation with the Applicant had taken place, he would still have been dismissed."
"If it is held that taking the appropriate steps which the employer failed to take before dismissing the employee would not have affected the outcome, this will often lead to the result that the employee, though unfairly dismissed, will recover no compensation or, in the case of redundancy, no compensation in excess of his redundancy payment."
"There is no need for an 'all or nothing' decision. If the Tribunal thinks there is a doubt whether or not the employee would have been dismissed, this element can be reflected by reducing the normal amount of compensation by a percentage representing the chance that the employee would still have lost his employment."
This, therefore, becomes the assessment of a percentage chance.
"Where evidence is adduced as to what would have happened had proper procedures been complied with there are a number of potential findings a Tribunal could make. In some cases it may be clear that the employee would have been retained if proper procedures had been adopted. In such cases the full compensatory award would be made. In others the Tribunal may conclude that the dismissal would have occurred in any event. This may result in a small additional compensatory award only to take account of any additional period for which the employee would have been employed had the proper procedures been carried into effect (see EG Mining Supplies (Longwall) Limited v Baker [1988] IRLR 417). In other circumstances it may be possible to make a determination one way or the other. It is in those cases that the Employment Tribunal must make a percentage assessment of the likelihood that the employee would have been retained, as suggested in Sillifant v Powell Duffryn Timber Ltd."
"The Campaign Manager role would have been suitable for me. It would have been challenging, a different role to my marketing role…I did not have a lobbying or media role. My marketing role was marketing the EEF. I assisted member associations in marketing which is quite different to lobbying and media campaigning. My background is in design skills which are different to lobbying and campaigning."